Here's how to do it. I was fighting a slice and always felt I had a flaw somewhere that had to be addressed. Literally your hips and legs will not be symmetrically centered on the ball. Your previous content has been restored. [/quote] I will report back (UK). Well last week i decided to try it since using your move of bringing the club down in slot before clearing and keeping trunk turned away at same time. I've got a large chest and big arms, right now 6'1" about 230lbs but I played football at 275lbs. My problem on the way down is dropping my right shoulder down too much instead of taking it out to the ball. I know you reccomend in this video that the clubface be centered in your stance at address, but could you speak a bit about that forward shaft lean at address and whether that is something you advocate. Get that left arm up high and across the chest and actually try to maintain a slightly closed appearance with the upper chest and shoulders relative to the feet. . I wish I could rotate down with my shoulders more level, instead of tilting right so hard. The tendency with the forward press is to struggle to align to the target and square the clubface in the setup. Assume your address position without a club or ball. That kind of swing might be good for long drives, but it's probably not the most consistent for every day golf. Sorry for the mess and the rambling. I also checked out Craig Stadler's, and he, too, is very steep. Look no further than the Leaning Tower of Pisa in Italy for a perfect example. [/quote] Golf Setup Lesson - Foundation for a Golf Swing - Herman Williams Golf Keep your back straight as you stick your tail out and keep your chin up to avoid a hunch back appearance. Do you agree? Everyone is advising me to stand up straighter but then I have to mover my arms to the sides of my pectoral muscles so that they can hang more freely in the more upright position..Do I stay more upright with my arms to the side of my chest or bend over farther with my arms on top of my chest? I like Smocks swing too. [*][size=4][color=#008000][b]Ping G410 3 wood, Mitsubishi Diamana BF[/b][/color][/size] I appreciate the endoresement and glad to hear youre smoking those long irons. With golf I ALWAYS hit ground behind the ball. I dont think you are doing anything wrong. Secondly, with arm laying on top of chest, the arm does not need to roll out around the chest as we go back in backswing. I don't know if this is helpful as I shy away from physical swing advice however being 6'2"/225 with a 49" chest/51 jacket, which is always a PITA as the stuff usually comes in even sizes, however My chest never stopped me from gettin it back-, I was extremely flexible my last year(2012) in the game as I was actively still playing hoops and I was Natiional Ski Patrol-, The only "key" that I ever thought of, and that was decades ago as my body and swing was the same from college on and that is my left tricep across my pec going back-, You might look at some single plane stuff and I've posted a vid of Hal's swing and while he's taller than you, he's got the barrel chest-, I got to Play with him in 2010 and '12 and along with bein a super guy(I started likin him when he scoffed at the Tour boi Tiger love and scoffed at Tiger and beat him when few others could), he's still got a sweet swing-, And he's proud of that belly, tellin me in that Texas draw, "I earned this some b****," lmao, The best to ya and have a great season :), In the end, only three things matter~
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GHIN: Beefeater 24. Due to this reason, shaft-length will often be standard or slightly shorter than standard (1-2cm less than std) since the chest is bowed over closer to the ground and lie angle just be standard. Paste as plain text instead, Thanks, The left arm technique is huge. Yes, the word Fanny can be used in a different context here in Oz but I dont believe anyone would be offended. Much more like my old two-knuckle stance. Groove the rotation you will need to pull your left arm in the downswing. You dont stand there, painstakingly line yourself up, and then start thinking about the angle of your hand and arm as you draw your arm back to throw. The path can cause the shank as the club tries to keep extending out away from the body near impact. So much better to understand what you are doing instead of just being told and not knowing why you do what you do or why things will go wrong. But for the purposes of this article, were going to gloss over grip, assuming you have the details of hand position already figured out. My left bicep hits my left pec and I physically can't move it any further. My ball position is the same as everyone else, off of right ear, left pec-ish type. It's simple and very informative. I usually see a lot of slouching in my clientele with lots of forward shoulder rounding especially in adult men beyond 30 years of age. Herman. Adam Scott might be a great one to emulate. My worry is that l am not hitting the ball as far more so my irons than my driver. If not, click Golf Grip How to Grip a Golf Club. [/list]. There are definitely adjustments and considerations that need to be made with this type of build. Your previous content has been restored. Youd never get rid of me. The left arm over the left chest was the issue. Big hello from Texas. Kind regards Rob. Being Gumby isn't all its cracked up to be. [/quote] [*][size=4][color=#008000][b]Ping G410 4 hybrid, Evenflow Black[/b][/color][/size] Better Golf Shots - Swinging In A Barrel - YouTube In order to look more conventional youre probably going to endure some pain along the way to reverse those habits. If I use a neutral gripmy club face arrives open. I had some issues and knew something didnt feel right in set up. Hermaqn, Why do you turn your shoulders 90*? Never in my life could i hit a 3 iron with any power or distance and usually a huge slice. I found your site last night via a you tube video and I am glad I did. To initiate your. It would feel very uncomfortable and put you in a more or less cramped position. Next month Ill buy a new set of irons. See What Members Are Saying! Shift your weight onto your front foot and begin to rotate your hips toward the target. The book is packed with plenty of easy-to-read, simple tips aimed at older golfersthough that doesnt mean younger players cant learn from it! [quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1385096954' post='8188390'] This causes the club to approach the ball on a significantly in-to-out path with a hold-on style of release. Putter: TaylorMade TP Collection Juno (33). He's the model swing I strive for. I do have a touch strong but not real strong took a look in the mirror it appeared too strong because of the left arm hanging or relaxed too much. Great architecture, it took over 175 years to build, and its now over 800 years old. My quick answer is bend over and tell those folks to leave you alone. Try to feel like this turning move starts at your left hip area as you are coming down in downswing. Your advice has helped quite a bit. Only when I move ball out the 2inches or so. Most back-niners cant swing back as fully as they once did but can still complete their follow-through so this is where they need to concentrate their energies. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. If you post a video more people will be able to help out. I am 54 years young and have been on & off single figures for the last 10 years but when my swing goes south and i feel like a 40 handicapper I can usually find some pearls, like the one above about the left arm on top of the Left pec. Bowing over more from the hips in the setup will allow a little more room for the arm to sit on top of chest and still comfortably hang to the ball. Dont worry so much about backswing for now. Was pumped to work at a professional golf tournament. The golf setup is the foundation for a golf swing and getting setup to make a golf swing is probably as important as creating the proper foundation on which to build a building. But, my shoulders are not nor are my ankles, too many injuries. Body Turn in Golf Swing - The Golf Fix. I don't care what guys say, the way they describe the pivot, with right side extension and left side tilting was brilliant for me. I am working on it though. I turn my right hip just a little to the inside. When bowing toward the ball, do you retain wrist cock as when held at belt buckle height? Always need good footwork and posture. Upload or insert images from URL. Its certainly ok to have the hands slightly in front of the ball at address. Wishon 775HS 22*, 25* Thirdly when you arrive at top of backswing with the arm up on top of chest and elbow pointed down, you are in a stronger physical position to pull down with tricep and lat muscle. Thanks Herman! The only thing I always question now is how my wrists should be at set up. Quote Reply to this topic. Distance? Herman. Set the feet just barely wider than the hips, toes turned out about 5 degrees on each foot, and start to bow from the hip sockets as you also let the wrists drop. ProV1X. Exo #7. Thanks! Mike Adams in particular has stated that at address the left arm could set on top of the pec, not to the side, for folks with this issue. By Monte has a video on this and has talked about it plenty on this forum. It was all "around." Please note that l am hitting the ball straight with perhaps the merest hint of a draw. Gerry James, another long drive guy, was Mr. California. It got to the point that I couldnt even find a comfortable or reliable position at address. Im having a hard time figuring out just one thing, if I were to stand straight up and point my club straight out from my belt buckle its 90 degrees, if I bend over with the exact position until the club hits the ground then it obviously isnt in the correct position because I would still be at 90 degrees. Fred. I took up golf when I hit the age of 50, I used my friends 7 iron and hacked my way around a local course and became addicted, I had a couple of lessons along the way from a pro and started to read / watch videos on the net. Elbows to chest In the clip, which you can watch in full below, Hogan suggests starting by making small swings, with your. What's my problem? Michael Thank you! I am 6", 36 wrist to floor and 225 lb. Your link has been automatically embedded. But, I have found something that that helps me make the coil easier. ABC123 Golf Academy Instructor, Lookup member hstead and his progress threadbiggest upper body of any golfer I've seen a brilliant swing. Always helps to post a video as well, so people with a better understanding of the swing can comment. If I put myself at the top of my swing with left hand in waiters tray position and a flat right wrist and just let my natural swing fall.I always arrive with an open club face. Thank you so much Herman. I know youre very busy so when you get a chance to answer itll be highly appreciated. I love almost all your vdeos but in this one Once you have established the left hand grip, raise the left arm up on top of and across the chest (tricep lays on the pec.) The beauty of this exercise is that you can easily throw a ball in the garden so next time you have a spare five minutes go outside pick up a ball and throw it. I think it is also harder to keep your arms in front of you. It isnt as easy as that, of course. Boomer was a legend in the teaching ranks in the first half of the last century, and his book, "On Learning Golf," published in 1946, can still be purchased. Ive been trying for years to develop a consistent set up and swing and am every so grateful that Ive been hermanized. I've done either and vary on it. But understanding that this is the power generator for hitting the ball far and . Mizuno MP18 3-Pw/ PX 6.0 You recommend a very pronounced straight back and chin up posture. I like this video. Cant wait to apply this into my routine so all the other tips and compensations might not be needed. I've tried that upright swing before, and it just doesn't feel comfortable. Cross your hands over your chest so your opposite hands touch opposite shoulders. G425 Max 9*o w/ RIP Beta I haven't asked for a refund yet since it isn't really Dans fault. The 4 Barrel Hit: Swinging AND Hitting | Golf Lag Tips Place an alignment rod under your toes and make some swings. Thanks for the tip for arm on top .it fixed me overnight I am even drawing the ball again or dead straight.. I am not sure what you are asking, but I think you are saying you don't like your backswing. So, I went with a neutral grip. So try to base your decision on your need for mobility, not so much on how wide your shoulders are. My basic iron setup tries to align the shaft with the belt buckle picturing the shaft like a T-square with the leading edge of face perfectly square. You now have both hands on the club, left arm sitting somewhat uncomfortably on top of left chest, left shoulder is higher than the right (which means spine is tilted slightly to the right), right arm is soft at the elbow, right shoulder tucked back and down, club is pointed straight out from belt buckle. Funny thing was I used to have John Daly swing as a kid because I was skinny as a rail and now my swing looks like someone elses 1/2 or 3/4 swing. I am now 58 my handicap is 14.6 but lately I have lost a lot of distance and should probably be 18, I was never a massive hitter, probably 230 with the driver from a solid shot but now I am lucky to hit 180, 7 iron 110 all perfectly straight. That sucks. Centering the hands in my experience has improved most players abilities to align to target, square the face at address and make a reasonably sound takeaway. Thanks for the comments, Mike. It was more like a shitty music festival than a golf tournament. Its very easy to stand up and rotate flat in the backswing. Look at my release article and video and go for a neutral grip and really train hard at getting your right forearm and hand to turn down and over through impact. The clubhead will lower to the ground directly in the center of your stance, butt of club still pointed at belt buckle. For lie angle you must get checked hitting a shot from a lie board as the dynamics of swinging often look different than the setup positions. 5-PW: Callaway X Forged '13 w/ Project X Pxi 6.0 Then as the club is swung down the chest should be pointing again pretty much straight forward. As for the S&T, I learned a ton from that thread and have spent a lot of time reading it a couple of months ago. As for setup changes, I find that I play better with my feet pointed more right of my target but my shoulders parallel left. You may simply need more reps with the new stuff before it clicks. 6 Muscles That Improve Your Golf Swing (How To Swing Stronger) I would say I am probably more flexible than most guys think, but it depends on the area. My big mis-hit is a push-slice or shank. have been following your site for some time now and find your teaching illuminating and always interesting. Left hand literally underneath the shaft with Palm up. Generally barrel-chested guys need to get the arms on top of the chest and then bend over more than average to clear the chest on the swing. Hi Herman, I tried your suggestion on putting the ball in front no matter what kind of iron I am grabbing. Thanks for the compliments and I hope you see continued improvement in your game. The clubhead has so far to travel (up to 16 feet from top of arc to impact) it is too easy for hips to outrun the clubhead and leave it open like a baseball batter late on a pitch. Regarding setup, your tip that the left arm needs to be on top of the pec makes so much sense. If you can consistently hook the ball with the hands turning over, then work on allowing the club to fall more behind you in downswing as the hips clear more aggressively. But because of a bad foundation, its just a tourist attraction now. I have to focus more on being able to breathe at the top I feel the left lat stretching so hard lol Thank you!!!!!!!! Thanks a mill. There are definitely advantages and disadvantages. [/b] One advantage is normally you can generate quite a bit of power with a short swing. Paste as plain text instead, The attendees were terrible, would rather party than appreciate golf. I have a lot of followers Down Under. Thanks for commenting and following my work. [/quote] HighDraw, I am the other way around, played at 240 and now weigh 275 lol. Herman, Hi Herman, I also used to waggle my hips forward and back slightly before setting my weight to the back foot and beginning my take-away. A good fit should leave the clubhead resting on the ground with the toe of the club just slightly up in the air. I have lost significant distance, consistency and golf balls trying to get flatter and deeper. I'm guessing that if your bicep gets pinned on your chest, then you have no sense of raising your arms as part of your backswing. That being said, I think he could get away with a wider stance than most. Are 3 woods obsolete for double digit golfers??? First off, the elbow joint cant bend targetward in this position so it helps prevent chicken winging and it slightly preloads the left forearm for a strong release. Your arm simply goes back and through and nine times out of ten goes straight where you intended. [quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1386383819' post='8261327'] Right now, you're chunking golf shots because the low point of your swing happens before you reach the ball. In Photo 2 I'm using a credit card, which is thin enough to demand that you keep that left shoulder and upper arm connected to the torso, but light enough to not interfere with the swing. Also make sure your clubs are fitted for you. The thing I noticed about this setup was the left elbow pointed down towards my left hip as opposed to my more traditional setup where the left elbow points out between the left hip and target. I finally understand how to turn so the head stays centered and the shoulders are not too flat and I don't have to lift the arms. Using the same techniques with the driver and I am slicing the ball. Herman, I love this game and am just so frustrated that I cant get a consistent swing. : Most of them DO NEED to learn to let their arms swing from their shoulder sockets more. Again thanks for your rapid response. ENTER NOW! Today, I wish I lived in NC! P770 5-P Sounds like you suck your arms inside , so they have no where to go . You may like to check the word fanny Wishon 929 HS 14.5*, 19* 0.5 Open If the lead arm is sitting on the side of the body, the chest is in the way of starting a proper takeaway and backswing. We literally use the club as a yardstick to measure the body distance from the ball. first of all my congratulations because your stuff is really good and has changed my game a lot. Body Turn in Golf Swing - The Golf Fix | Golf Channel This gives me something to review and refresh. OGA member #15 Some of us have to really work to keep our arms in front of us and stop them when our shoulder turn stops. I've lifted weights on and off my entire life, and have a barrel chest with large arms (luckily, I have only a 32" waist, so I'm not fat). But. One question: when you stated should feel like your right arm scrapes your left hip coming down.you did mean right arm and not left correct? Mimic your backswing, then swing down slowly. Rotating Your Chest PROPERLY In A Golf Swing - YouTube I meant closed stance in my post. Try playing it back to improve the path, although now the face will need to release quickly to make it in time. As for the S&T, I learned a ton from that thread and have spent a lot of time reading it a couple of months ago. Are their set up or swing adjustments to make when thick chested? I probably do have to stand slightly more away from the ball than a Davis Love type player. My short arms relative to chest are a major issue, I can't get my left arm across my chest, too much space between left arm and chest, and then can't get right elbow in front of right hip,it bounces off my gut and upper chest.. You are now in the proper golf address position with an athletic posture , basically a ready position that would apply to any sport. I'm flexible: can do the seated toe touch, and can turn my shoulders 90 degrees from my waist. Maybe that would help me not strike the ball behind me???? I can carry it about 210, even my 5 iron which i rarely used on the coruse because of lack of distance i now know i can hit very well.I think the 70s are in my future, just need to hit better iron shots on the course, at the range i kill thembut something changes on course as we all know. I don't care what guys say, [b]the way they describe the pivot, with right side extension and left side tilting was brilliant for me. Your link has been automatically embedded. As for the swing, I really just focus on keeping my arms straight to keep the club in front of me, make sure I tilt left going back so my head doesn't move too far to my right, and then coming down I try to get my body rotating fast. (Lefty) what are the positions and or movements that my wrists/forearms should make to have a square club face at impact? I told Dan my first trip "I want to swing like Smock" lol. Keep up the great work. Good luck and thanks for stopping by and commenting. Jim, you are technically correct, but since I know you, I will also with humor say, stop over-analyzing. , For a broader audience who wont study this in too much detail, the idea is to start the club centered to get the most symmetrical possible start with body and club alignments and best possible takeaway. Ive started thinking of the old glove under the arm pit drill, except this time with the right arm. You can certainly overdo it and end up with a spine line that is too straight and unnatural. Great question wrists do uncock slightly. The second thing: get fitted for clubs. Im telling everyone i know who plays to watch them! First, we need a great grip. That sets the ball itself just slightly left of your zipper. You can post now and register later. Net result should leave the butt of club aimed at belt buckle. If it was Now for the Back Nine would be a very short book. This will allow the clubhead to move thru the ball on a virtually level arc versus hitting down too much as it might on an iron shot. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! The target is going to be 225lb again. Any attempt to roll your hands over is negated by having such a strong grip forearms are basically locked into that 3-knuckle position. If thats correct then having the handle point at belt buckle usually works out to be a good shaft/wrist angle. Also upright is super comfortable for me because I have more room but it's not nearly as consistent and I tend to hit a lot more bad shots with hard to control distance because I'm so steep, Titleist TSR3 8* / Fuji Ventus Black TR 6X, Callaway Big Bertha Alpha 18* / Veylix Rome 988X, Edel SMS iron 4-5 / DG TI X100 ///// SMS PRO irons 6-PW / DG TI X100. Ken, Thank you, Ken. My results were exactly what you described in the videoshoulders tilting in the wrong direction and a bad outside-in swing. The whole coil and feel the stretch in the left lat thing don't really register on me. Boy, that really seems to free me up, am I headed for a wreck? I am confused. I have always wondered what it feels like to swing for a guy that is very flexible and thinner? I've been playing golf about 15 years and have been as low as an 8 handicap, but currently rest at 13. It really help me a lot on correcting my weak, slicing shots for a long time. As for the S&T, I learned a ton from that thread and have spent a lot of time reading it a couple of months ago. Thanks for commenting. Your email address will not be published. Become a FREE SUBSCRIBER to PETER FINCH now http://bit.ly/SubscribePFGolfBook Lesson With PETER FINCH at Quest Golf herehttps://quest.glflocker.com/BookingSyFeel free to comment below! Herman, Your videos have greatly improved my game. Basically we create the setup while standing a few inches too far away from the ball, then slide the clubhead up behind the ball as the feet take a small step forward. [*][color=#b22222][b][size=4]TP Mills Trad II Hand Forged [/size][/b][/color] DGA3, February 3, 2016 in Instruction & Academy. Since I have a normal Height(178cm), below average Arms (my wrists to floor is 88cm , 3cm more than a normal guy with 178) and a thick chest, what do you think the length and lie of the irons should be changed relative to the standard ones? Then repeat it with your eyes shut and try to imagine you are swinging a golf club. I have to focus more on being able to breathe at the top I feel the left lat stretching so hard lol So my feet and shoulders do not match. making sure I'm turning my shoulders 90* to my spine. that's pretty big. [*][size=4][b]Titleist T200 5-9 KBS Tour Flt [/b][/size] I wish I lived in NC so I could come take some lessons from you! I Just wanted to say hello and like the way you teach. I think it is also harder to keep your arms in front of you. Pasted as rich text. But here are a few things to check. (i.e. Wishon 5, 6 560 MC 7-PW MMC MB Herman. Thanks for the suggestions, so far. He played at Central Arkansas, where he was a Backer. Could expectation management be key to lowering your scores? Herman, Thank you for this video. [quote name='MizunoJunky' timestamp='1386361482' post='8259595'] Anyway, I have recently been looking at many more articles in an effort to get more distance, I am no slouch I have worked in the building industry all life and think I am reasonably fit for 58, I just stumbled on your videos and have watched them over and over and over in an effort to ingrain the moves, very interesting, properly explained and like what other people have said, no one has ever properly explained why and I was seriously thinking about quitting the game altogether, I am today going to try out all of what I have learned by watching your instruction and will keep you posted on the results, here is to hoping that at long last I have found someone who actually wants people to learn the game properly. Ive been battling this for years trying to figure out what is the correct position from how I have my wrists either pointing down or or cocked too much please help:). Oh great, now Im even more confused. I had never heard of this setup before and found it promoted a steeper plan for me which is good as I tend to get a little laid off and stuck. I have a broad chest as well and lack proper external right shoulder rotation - you can either go 'up' toward the anterior like some have described, or you can stay in depth (and some width) with low hands and reverse loop a fade out of it. From the setup position with the clubhead resting on the ground at the center of the stance, simply shuffle over to the ball while maintaining setup posture. One-Piece is a term used to describe moving the hands, arms and club as a single unit with no hinge in the early phases of backswing. But for the purposes of this article, were going to gloss over grip, assuming you have the details of hand position already figured out. LC.