Ill bet Sanders is correct. As anybody who has been within shouting distance of me over the past 2 years know, I consider Tom O'Neill's CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the Secret Histor. There are a number of people mentioned, for example in that first Tate police report, many of whom were involved in the investigation whom we never hear of again. Reeve Whitson of Ireland and James Webber of England shake hands on the 18th hole at the end of their singles match on the final day of the Boys Home. I also suspect John Lennon's murder is simply another example of a CHAOS/COINTELPRO operation, to discredit the Beatles and demean opposition to the Vietnam War (as far fetched as it sounds). It came with the house. Reeve Whitson? 2) in the early 1960s, Reeve Whitson was a Business Manager for a publishing /photography company in Paris that gave him a proper cover for his intelligence operations in Europe . Reeve Whitson Profiles - Facebook By studying the case and matching up dates and testimony, it can be seen that the sands of time eventually ran out for Charles Manson which puts the kibosh on those theories that he was being protected by those "higher up" although I'm sure the theorists will say that it was because of them that Charlie's protection ran out.. Parole violations do not have to be convictions, not even crimes.Violating the conditions of your parole can be a myriad of otherwise non criminal actions; if they are spelled out in your parole.IeAssociating with known felons, drug dealers/users, drinking, drug use, possessing firearms, traveling outside a specified geographic limit etc etc etcI think it's fair to say that a career criminal with high recidivism like Manson would have had stringent parole conditions. I'm not getting that from Helter Skelter, I'm getting that from Candace Bergen's auto-bio. She knew that the others were making fun of the flag, of the establishment. He was driving a VW van. C'mon Grim, you know betterThe big reveal was that Danny DeCarlo "ratted out" the Manson crew which was against the biker code.But that has been public knowledge since September 1970.And no, I don't know better. "I was only 19 at the time. According to Statman's book (I think that's where I read it), Doris told Sharon to get rid of that flag because if Paul Tate saw it he'd hit the roof. If LE and the CIA were so powerful, why didn't they just pin it on the innocent ? "pg200LAPD Sgt Mike McGann, Tate investigator: "He was heavily involved." I applaud Tom O'Neil for his extreme efforts to find the truth. Bums don't earn a living with a paying job, they just move from camp to camp and sponge off folks.If Moorehouse lived at Cielo Drive when Melcher was there, it's news to me. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. Krenny later testified that she was sure the American Flag on the sofa wasn't there during the murders.And the scene was littered with marijuana and cocaine, even though no residues of those drugs were found in the body fluids of the dead.I am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion. I have these numbers from ONeills book in reference to Hatami and Whitson: 22239, 14483, 14508, 14542, 14554There's nothing connected with him on page 22239 ~ that's Squeaky's testimony. After reading Chaos, I find Wilson to be a very compelling figure in the Manson case. WG specifically remembered that. From RFK Jr's instagram post on Wednesday's death of Thane Eugene Cesar, prime suspect in his dad's 1968 murder:The LAPD unit (SUS) that investigated my dads assassination was run by active CIA operatives. Supposedly Debra Tate has the manuscript for the book, one of the claims in it was that Paul Caruso was representing Tom Harrigan and when Helder saw the new MDA drug on the to reports he wanted to get a sample analyzed but didn't know where to come by it so he asked Caruso if Hartigan would give him a sample and he did, it's awfully convenient how often Caruso's name pops up in the TLB saga. endstream endobj 78 0 obj <>/Metadata 16 0 R/Outlines 28 0 R/PageLabels 73 0 R/Pages 75 0 R/StructTreeRoot 29 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 79 0 obj <. The morning after the murders, his father realized his son had not been home. William I think Doris saw that flag on the couch a couple of days before the murders. Reeve lived in 1935, at address, Indiana. [3] During World War II he enlisted in the . When Reeve starting working for the CIA is unknown. You should have a read of it if you haven't already, with particular attention given to the testimiony of Terry Melcher and Dean Mooorehouse.That Moorehouse had been to Cielo while Melcher lived there in the summer of '68 is no secret. Undoubtedly, he would have run into Peter Folger in those years as American corporations and the US government were intertwined throughout that era. In a Rolling Stone article, Paul Krassner wrote, "I had hoped to get confirmation of the heaviest lead in my research. I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedanticYeah, I can see that. I've been reading a lot of British footballers autobiographies over the last 18 months and it never ceases to amaze me how people aren't even aware of the dates of certain events in their own lives or the results of matches they are commenting on. That's all. It worked. Not the bad eye, the good eye. I agree Beauders. He mentioned him once. "*Winifred Chapman, presumably.Greg King's book quoting BUGLIOSI : Mrs CHAPMAN told police investigators that it had simply been placed on the back of the couch as a decorative touch a few weeks earlier .Sharon Tate Remembered by Sheila WellsThe red, white and blue nursery colors reminded me of reading about the murder scene and how there was an American flag draped over Sharon's sofa. Shortly after his arrival, the town became the epicenter of a shocking event that almost wrecked the Democratic Party's effort to win back the White House. Reeve Whitson of Ireland in action during his singles match on the final day of the Boys Home Internationals at Hankley Common Golf Club on August 6,. Would he be sent back to jail for speeding ? Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. I do not believe we will ever know the truth. "Yes, it's true, there was a flag draped over the back of the sofa. That clears things up. Regarding Whitson's interest in sportscars, author Tom O'Neill wrote in his book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Sixties: He could not have been there prior to the dinner engagement at the El Coyote, otherwise he would joined Sharon, Jay, Wojtek and Abigail.The time of departure to the restaurant is tied to the delivery of Abigails bicycle by Dennis Hurst. ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. In January the actual mechanics of HS were barely formulated in Charlie's mind. He might have been seated between Jay & Sharon at dinner, being BFF's with them and all.But then, he was Gone With the Wind.Sorry guys, I'm having a hard time believing that someone with super powers like this mysterious guy was so very close to Sharon & Jay, yet did nothing to prevent their murders. Chaos reads like a bad spy novel CIA spooks MK Ultra Manchurian candidates really just ridiculousEven the interesting parts such as why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimes went nowhere we've all heard this before I was hoping maybe the reasons would finally be expained but never where don't waste your money there's plenty of really good book's on the subject I believe my collection on the subject is right around 30 books, The craziest thing is 30 books is just the tip of the iceberg, I'd bet if one of the real experts in the TLB community sat down for a few hours and listed them there would be at least 150, if you added magazine articles, movies, TV specials, musical recordings, podcasts, you'd be at 1000 or more. I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughtersIf there's one thing I've come to realize in regard to TLB and other matters of such complexity that have attracted much thought, controversy, speculation and revision, it's that the phrase "I read somewhere" or "I remember reading/seeing somewhere" is one that is fraught with pitfalls because it's almost used as a barometer of the truth of the matter whereas in actuality, it could mean anything, something or nothing at all. That is how I was able to write a 1200 page encyclopedia on Manson, etc. Chapter 5 - Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office You ought to get a hold of the trial testimony of his parole/probation officer, Samuel Barrett. Grim said: But it's not true. William Garretson claimed that on the afternoon of August 8 while hitchhiking back to Cielo, some guy dressed as a hippie, picked him up. 112 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<09006881B058AD42AB4493C3B39AB84E>]/Index[77 63]/Info 76 0 R/Length 151/Prev 264529/Root 78 0 R/Size 140/Type/XRef/W[1 3 1]>>stream They weren't there particularly long and so people trying to weave the "someone rearranged the scene afterwards" line of thought is onto a loser if they try to utilize the memories of the killers and how they left the scene. Hopefully I can get on in the next couple of days. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. It was very tempting to engage in some of the posts, especially with Destroyer of Opinions. That = A BUM! Charles Manson Case - Who Was Reeve Whitson? - YouTube Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. It's all bullcrap, I may not be a believer in Helter Skelter being the motive but some of these conspiracy theories are beyond ridiculous, Reeve knew where all the bodies were buried, and who was involved. Knowing that his son was going to 10050 Cielo Drive the night before and because of reports that one of the bodies was unidentified (Steve Parent), his worried father called the police. I really loved Peter Levenda's "Sinister Forces" three volume set. It didn't seem to be a secret when it should have been A search of Whitson's extended acrobatic family shows a connection with the OSS, and CIA in their foreign travels with the USO. Mario George Nitrini 111 saidnice to see you're in top form being skeptical about me..lolI am, if nothing else, consistent on that !In all seriousness though, the dictionary definition of sceptical is "not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations. They destroyed thousands of pieces of evidence, RFK Jr. stated.And these are the people we entrusted to get to the bottom of the TLB case. Reeve Whitson was born circa 1931, at birth place, Illinois, to Mervyn Whitson and Florence Whitson. Moorehouse was a bum! The FBI files tell a clear . Reeve Whitson was a major player in the Laurel Canyon scene. There's one part of Whitson's story that makes no sense to me. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very wellHow would Hatami, who met Bugliosi only a couple of times, and on official business {ID photos, trial} know who Bugliosi knew, well or otherwise ?Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Reeve Whitson passed away at age 63 years old on October 25, 1994. Can't shake old ways, he used to say" comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment CowOwn Additional comment actions Oh Mario I wasn't even talking about you! Some have atrocious recall, Tex & Pat falling into that category. Jul 13, 2020. Whitson and Bugliosi then coerced Hatami's testimony by threatening him with deportation. He absolutely did not. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? J. Edgar Hoover's directive to his agents said this: 1. Bugliosi had covered up for Terry Melcher during the trial. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. Did Statman swipe it from Lt Deemer when she stole all the other stuff from his house? Who is this O'Neill guy? Note the characters involved.FITZGERALD:Are you in charge of the prosecution of the case of People vs. Manson, et al? Of the 9 people you mention, one of them says Whitson was there. Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's Camaro. I can't believe people are trashing O'Neill's book. Well (1) the flag was there and (2) I don't know why that's a point of conjecture and (3) I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson. It involved every dirty trick in the book. However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. Extensive research and a slew of FOIA requests did not produce a smoking gun or much beyond the shadowy, ill-explained presence around these events of Reeve Whitson, an alleged "intelligence operative." O'Neill also examines the CIA program MKULTRA, which may have gotten him closer to his goalbut not much. I don't care for twitter interaction. He (O'Neill) said nothing to that effect. He was living with his parents in Los Angeles. A search of newspapers.com shows that he grew up in Kendallville, Indiana, got married to Mary Worch of Santa Monica on Jan. 7, 1952, and that his father worked in the circus. I've never heard of this Reeve guy in my life"His name first popped up in the book 'Sharon Tate - A Life' by Ed Sanders, which came out in 2016:"..Hatami testified at the trial that Manson wanted to know where 'somebody' lived - referring to Terry Melcher. The licensing process for model cars began in 1966 with a Scotsman by the name of Reeve Whitson, the first to establish a company that served as an agent to the racing car manufacturers to license their copyrighted designs to model car makers. "pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. And then there was the investigation he helped Col. Tate conduct. That just sounds funny. Did you come down on your own?A: No, I have been called by his office to come downQ:Who was present when you were shown the photographs?A:Mr. Reeves WitsonQ:And Mr. Bugliosi?A:And Mr. BugliosiQ:And yourselfA:And myselfQ:And no one else?A:No one elsebeauders saidwhere have you been?Oh, just lurking for a while. grimtraveller,It's not a problem for me for you to be Skeptical of me.If you're not interested what I tweet on Twitter about The Charles Manson Family & Saga, again, no problem for me.Thanks for your replies back to me.Mario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. He didn't even want to leave prison.Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent backIn your opinion. But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've heard the story online, but where is the original source from what book?Thanks so much. They could have played a part ranging from major to minor.We know that Reeve Whitson was an investigator of some sort. He was connected with Nazis, top US Gov. CHAOS Question : r/TrueAnon - Reddit They weren't even in the same vicinity while True lived at the house next door.And personally, I wouldn't read O'Neill's book unless someone bought it for me and gave it to me. It should have been MPK 308. I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and afterI wondered about that but it works either way. I won't accept something just because someone says it. Did he mention Tex ? It's a similar story regarding where the LaBiancas lived, what with all the rumours and theories about Leno moaning about the noise from Harold True's house or chewing out Charlie ~ when a bit of checking will reveal that it never happened.

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